Monday, May 17, 2010

Shiller's Double Dip

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/business/16view.html?emc=eta1

Nouriel Roubini mentioned recently that, as he sees things (thru his own personal dark cloud), there's still a 20% chance of a double dip recession. Of course, this was just an aside to a Financial Times editor when he was on his way to "Cannes" to see "himself" in two movies.

Now comes Robert Shiller - he of the Case-Shiller Home Price Index he co-created - to say that, just because Europe has done a trillion dollar bailout in response to the Greek (and other weak countries) debt crisis, isn't to say that there won't be a double dip recession worldwide: "World markets soared initially on the announcement of the rescue plan, and then declined. But, as the economist John Maynard Keynes cautioned long ago, such market reactions are basically a "beauty contest" - with the investors trying to predict the short-term reaction that other investors think still other investors will have."

"In other words, don't view these beauty contests as a heartfelt response to a fundamental change in the economy."

Shiller has in the back of his mind the large housing overhang here in the U.S. that we've seen no major improvement in thus far. To quote the Texas A&M Real Estate Center, "Everyone should be cautious in declaring the housing market to have bottomed. So much of the data just don't support it - foreclosures, the shadow inventory, new home sales running at half the long-term norm, expected sales declines after the tax credit expires."

Shiller's "real risk" (of a double dip recession) perspective comes from something that he feels cannot be quantified by statistical models. His perspective leans toward a "vulnerability of confidence" where a decline could bring markets down, cause cuts in consumption, investment, and local government expenditures. Ultimately, the risk resides largely in "Social Psychology", the old Roosevelt "fear of fear itself."

Our first thought here is that 3 consecutive quarters of real GDP growth argues pretty strongly against a fall back into recession. Shiller addresses that: his definition of a double-dip recession doesn't emphasize the short term. His "recession" begins with unemployment rising to a high level and then falling at a disappointingly slow rate. Before employment returns to normal, there is a second recession. Shiller again: "As long as economic recovery isn't complete, that's a double-dip recession, even if there are years between the declines." By that definition, there was a recession between 1929 and 1933 which was followed by a recession in 1937-38. Between those two declines, the unemployment rate never moved below 12.2%. Those two recessions, four years apart, are now typically lumped together as one event: The Great Depression.

Shiller's whole point is that the May 6 drop of 1,000 points in the Dow could be the first of many "aftershocks" similar to the 20.5% drop in the S&P 500 on 10/19/87. While we may think Shiller is "reaching," he's right about the unemployment rate - always a lagging indicator, it's not coming down at a very rapid rate (give it time? OK, how much?).

We should all be heartened that the great U.S. job creation machine gave us 290,000 jobs in the most recent data. But, we should also be asking ourselves whether the economy looks like it can produce 300,000 jobs per month for the next 5 years, which is about where, as we've said before, Krugman says we need to be to get back to where we were. We should also be asking where small businesses are with short term borrowing and their banks. Why, because most of the jobs in this economy come from small businesses.

Shiller and Roubini: we probably didn't have them together on our dance card, but they appear to have similar concerns.

2 comments:

  1. Something interesting.

    shadowstats.com Scroll down to unemployment

    Since 1994 at least, unemployment rates published by the government and the real unemployment stay at about 10% away from each other. At 2000 to 2001, unemployment reached about 11% and reach 22% in 2010. This seems like a serious problem that nobody talks about. Probably because nobody sees the alternative data. Maybe economies normally employ less than 90% of the population. Maybe this is the true Malthusian Crisis. Maybe economies always do not need a significant part of the population. Hell! As of 2005, the World Bank estimates half the world lives on less than $2 a day. Around 70% of countries carry a per capita of less than $10000 according to the CIA. This bums me out. How many of us could live in shelter, with enough food, hygiene stuff, clothes, and transportation at that income level without government assistance and exemptions?

    I occasionally browse through all the countries and wonder if all those poor people are bummed out, especially those who know about better living standards in developed countries. I hope world leaders do something about long term population trends too. There is a limit. A time will come when more population decreases the total utility or utility per person of the world. Maybe that has been occurring for centuries.

    In retrospect, the Great Depression employment trend is probably going to once again repeat itself. Since about 25% of 2009 graduates received jobs after graduating, maybe their is a 3-4 year period before all of them get a job using their degree. That should be interesting to explore.

    I enjoy your thoughts as always, even on the articles I do not comment on. Reading the comments is fun too.

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  2. Josh: Thanks so much for your comments! We appreciate your positive thoughts on what we observe. Your unemployment perspective may be informed by a contrast we often refer to between the US government U-6 rate which may be around 17% right now and the more widely reported 10% (plus or minus). The U-6 rate includes those who have given up looking so it includes more people. I, and others, tend to call the U-6 rate the "real unemployment" level.

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